After two months of unemployment I feel like I’ve gotten to a good place where I’m in solid running for two positions. One, which was fairly difficult to be offered — is the one I’m leaning towards. Not just because it was hard to be offered it, but it has by far the most growth potential of the two positions.
However, the “better” position is a W2 Contract role. That basically means full-time without any benefits (paid days off, health, etc) except the employer’s part of SS insurance, Medicare, and unemployment insurance. So, ultimately, the W2 position needs to pay a lot more to equal what a salaried position would pay, and at this point I have no idea what they’re planning to offer, or how to go about this negotiation.
Now, normally a W2 Contract position would start with an Agency and they’d farm you out to a company. Most of what I’ve read about W2 Contracts has to do with programmers who have specialized skills that these agencies can sell for short-term contracts with high hourly rates. The agency then basically gets the programmer their job, and in exchange they make 35 – 50% on top of whatever hourly fee the contractor is making, all paid by the client. And it sounds like the client has no idea how much the contractor is making and what the agency makes of the fee they pay… which just seems like an uncomfortable client-contractor relationship. Or — does the client (ie the person who would be your boss) never find out what you make? And if that’s the case, how do you ever get promoted?
W2 Contracts often have non-compete clauses, from what I’ve read, which means you can’t get hired by the company you’re working for within x number of days after the contract is considered complete. So does that mean you screw yourself out of a potential full-time job if you chose to leave the contract? It really isn’t clear from the Internets.
The thing is, the W2 Contract makes sense for a programmer. They go in, they do their job, get a project done, move on, and have many other companies willing to hire them for short-term gigs. My position is very different, it’s in marketing, and I don’t really view it as a contract role, other than the fact it is because that’s the way big companies hire around here.
I’ve spent some time working the numbers to figure out what my last job was worth with benefits for the year, and it really is a lot on top of the salary. Getting paid holidays is nice too.
The thing is, I figure to make approx what I made at my last job on W2 contract I’d have to make at least $45 per hour (equiv in my calculations to about $60k with full benefits). But because of the responsibilities that go with the potential role, I believe the position (regardless of who is hired in it) deserves more than that. It’s a little hard to figure out my full compensation at my last gig because it was at a startup where in theory a good amount of my pay was in stock options which, if the company succeeded, would be worth a lot. Not sure how to value those in determining my pay at my last job. Additionally, this job will require a much longer commute and basically take over my life. So what is fair compensation for this? Taking myself out of the picture and just looking at the role itself, the dollar figure I come up with is a lot higher than $45/hour. Additionally, I’ve been signing short-term clients for projects and they’re paying anywhere from $50/hr to $100/hr depending on the assignment. And that’s more the range I’m looking for. I’d think the higher end of that makes sense for this company, but again, I have no idea what they are paying for this role. I managed to avoid the salary talk all through my many interviews so I’m going into these negotiations blind.
I’m speaking with a representative from the hiring agency early next week to discuss fees over the phone. I prefer salary negotiations in person. Additionally, I didn’t interview with the hiring firm, nor did they find me for the job. I was referred internally by someone within the company and have interviewed with people in the company. The agency has, thus far, just scheduled the interviews. And now I have to negotiate my rate over the phone with someone I’ve never met. Normally in negotiations I’d have a good idea of what the other person wants. In a startup it was very clear because basically ever dollar saved was another second the startup could survive, so it was about more than just salary. Here, though, what does the hiring manager want? Are they given a range to negotiate with? Do they negotiate?
Also, I’m not clear I’m offered the job yet. I am the top choice, clearly, and was told by the agent that my interviews went very well and everyone likes me. So now it’s time to talk fees. I’m nervous about what this means. I normally would let my employer put out a range first if possible, but I’m not sure if doing that this time around would hurt my chances of getting a good rate. If I understood what the agency wanted… (ie — if they get 35% of what I make on top of what I make, isn’t it in their best interest to negotiate a higher hourly fee that the client is willing to pay for — or does the agent get paid more if they are able to negotiate a lower fee? Or is there no negotiation at all?)
Anyway, if you have any insight into the W2 Contract Negotiation situation, please do let me know what you think about all this.
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